Insight on reloc from US to CanadaWell, it looks as if I might have a concrete job opportunity with a company in Toronto, and I have a few questions regarding the process of relocating from the US to Canada: 1) Work Permit: I WILL be able to supply a letter of hire from my employer in this case. Is there further paperwork that I will need? - Will I need to apply annually for a work permit? - Is there a time limit for being under a work permit? - Does being under a work permit allow me to claim that I am still primarily a US Citizen? 2) Taxes: I spoke briefly to a friend who was living in Canada as a student. He said the amount of taxes owed to Canada and the US related to his time "in country" for each. I' m assuming that I would pay X% lesser to the US because I wouldn' t be taking advantages of services, and X% to CA because I' m utilizing services but not a true citizen. - Anyone know more about how the above scenario breaks down? - Would I be better off working off from a tax standpoint for working on a permit for a longer period of time (let' s assume my job cycle time is 3 - 5 years) and paying taxes to both vs. applying for citizenship? Citizenship: - If I were only on Work Permit and not applying for citizenship could I get away with declaring a permanent US residence for the purpose of keeping my car insurance, etc. tied to the US? - How does their Dual Citizenship work? Salary: - Given the difference in currency could I: A) Expect pay EQUAL to my salary expectations in US currency? B) Hope for any advantage or leverage in higher salary because of greater value in US currency? C) Possibly face refusal to match US currency equivalency and say "it is what it is, here' s the offer in Canadian currency”. Any advice on this is greatly appreciated!!! First off citizenship and work visas are totally different things. Citizenship is a big deal. You should think once, twice or three times before changing your citizenship. US citizenship is very valuable and if you lose it, it is not easy to regain. They have made it harder to lose accidentally than it was say 20 years ago, but you should still be careful. Unless you change citizenship, you will always be a US Citizen no matter where you live or for how long. Dual citizenship is not a good idea and is definitely frowned upon by the US government. It means that both countries "own" you in case of war, problems, etc. It can create serious conflicts for you. For example, what if both countries draft you? What if the two countries are at war with each other, and both draft you? Who will represent you if you' re picked up while in a third country? Yes, I realize we aren' t likely to go to war with Canada any time soon, but those are the sorts of issues that come up with dual citizenship. In many cases when you take the citizenship of a new country you also put your US citizenship at risk as well. Most dual citizens are the children of parents that come from two different countries, not adults who decide to switch after adulthood for just those reasons. There is little value for most people to have dual citizenship. Assuming you do not become a Canadian Citizen, there will be some things that you cannot do while in Canada. You won' t be able to collect Canadian welfare for example or to vote. Keep in mind that becoming a Canadian citizen is a major process and isn' t even an option until you had been there for at least 3 years as a permanent resident. A permanent resident is different than a work visa. Citizenship is not something you should consider unless you plan to make your life there. Yes, work visas have limits and requirements. I don' t know what the exact conditions of your visa will be, but you' ll have to follow them to the letter. If you have a one year visa, you either have to renew or leave the country BEFORE it expires. If it takes 6 weeks to get renewed, you have to leave time for that. When you get it, you should get a list of instructions with it. If not, talk to the Canadian Embassy and be sure you understand it. If you screw up a work visa, you can be deported and not allowed back in that country for several years (if ever). You may be covered under NAFTA, which has its own rules as well. Whatever the rules (I can' t say this enough) FOLLOW THEM. If they require you to notify them if you move, do it. If they require you to check in, do it. Make sure you understand how many times you can leave Canada and come back on your visa. Make sure you understand how long your can leave. If you mess that sort of stuff up, you can end up stuck and unable to return to Canada. Your visa will also have a date that you must enter Canada for the first time by. Don' t miss that date or you' ll have to start the whole process over. Taxes are complicated when you are an "expat". You should talk to a US tax guy, not someone who was in Canada as a student. As a US Citizen, you will still have to pay taxes in the US, even if you don' t set foot here. If you should meet a Canadian and decide to get married and then bring your spouse back to the US, the first thing they will ask you for is your last 3 years of US tax returns. Even if you' re not living in the US, the US cares very much about getting their taxes. The Canadians will of course want their taxes too. You don' t pay double, but you may pay more than you would think. In some cases you may pay less than you think. Your tax guy can show you how it would work in your specific situation. You should talk to your insurance company too. It is unlikely that a US company will insure your car if you' re living in Canada and it is unlikely that US insurance will meet Canadian requirements for car insurance. There' s a big difference between visiting for a few days or weeks and living and working in another country. Salary. If you' re being paid in Canadian dollars, then it doesn' t matter what the conversion rate to US dollars is since you won' t be spending those dollars in the US. Essentially, a dollar is a dollar. If you earn it where you spend it, then that' s the cost of living you should focus on. If you are earning in US dollars and spending them in Canada, that becomes a lot more complicated to ensure that you' re making enough to cover your costs properly and is also more complicated for tax purposes. You' re going to have to wait and see what the offer is, then see how that amount translates to cost of living in Toronto. Don' t convert the Canadian dollars and compare to where you live in the states. That won' t help you at all. The Culture Shock series is very good and will give you a much better sense of what it will be like living and working in Canada. Although Canada is very similar to the US, there are some siginficant differences between living in a completely free country and living in an independant commonwealth that belongs to a foreign head of state (Queen Elizabeth). There are also serious differences between living in a much more socialist welfare minded environment and living in the US where we expect most people to take care of themselves. Finally, do you speak French? If not, I suggest you start learning. Although everything in Canada is in English and French, the ability to speak even a tiny bit of French will be very important. One more thing. Do you have a current US passport? If not, apply today. There is a serious backlog right now since the requirements for passports in and out of Canada and Mexico just went into effect. Normally it takes 6 weeks but right now it can take a lot longer than that. You won' t be able to start work in Canada until you have that US Passport in hand. Not being the Oracle of Delphi, I think you should ask these questions of your prospective employer. If they' ve hired other American citizens, I' ll bet they' re very familiar with the details associated with the hiring of foreign nationals. Do a little more homework among US citizens you know who' ve worked in Canada or call your state Department of Labor, in addition to checking the web sites Tess has recommended. Talk to them about what the realities are in terms of the questions you have, but I' ll bet the Canadian employer can answer most of your questions if they' ve hired US citizens before. Thank you so much for your reply Tess! To answer some more critical concerns you brought up: 1) I'm starting to think that citizenship wouldn't be necessary for me in my situation. You're right, a US citizenship is something very valuable these days and it's not something to squander. I think my job cycle could be between 3 - 5 years, and after that I have to think about whether I want to stay in Canada, or make a move back to the US. I will be contacting the Canadian Embassy and everything else to get my ducks in a row if/once I get a job offer. 2) I do have a valid passport already, so I won't get bogged down by that pitfall. 3) I think the salary could be a bigger concern for me because I am fairly new to the field (3 yrs. total exp.) and unfortunately don't think I could command a higher salary range that would be easy to live off of. I recognize that I'll be in a large city with a higher cost of living so I'm going to hope that the offer is good enough to survive off of. A Relocation package may be a big issue too. It's one thing to move a few states away, it's something entirely different to move to a different country! It's a great opportunity though, and if I have to make some sacrifices for the experience I will. Currency exchange could be an issue when I'm sending out loan and credit card payments back to the US. It could add up then. Otherwise, no, I don't think I'll be going back and forth to the US often enough to be spending most of my money as US currency. You're right, I'll get paid in CAD, and I'll spend my money on a day in and day out basis in CAD. 4) Sadly no French background, but I agree, I do need to make an effort to learn it. And, thank you so much for the links! The gov. site one answered a bunch of my questions that I hadn't yet found in my research yet, and I will definitely check out that book. I definitely think it is important to learn the differences in culture and gov. too. I guess from here on out to anyone else who views this thread I'd mainly like to seek your opinions and experiences on how you smoothly you made the transition if you're a US citizen working in CA, or how your salary negotiations went. Thanks! | |
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