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Boss confusing me with numbers HELP.


I need some good salary-related advice.

During the 2006-2007 working year, I ended up falling short
of my total hours needed to get my full salary amount for the year.

I was short by 8.5 hours, but I also had 6 days of unused vacation left.

I wanted to use the 6 unused vac. days to cover for the time
I had missed for last year. When I brought this to my bosses attention,
he said no problem with that.

When I got my W2 form though, I noticed that I had only gotten paid
for 3 vac. days. Hence, my W2's weren't accurate.
I still hadn't been paid for 3 unused vac. days.

No big deal, I thought... he could just pay me my normal quarterly
salary amount (for this year) and add 3 days to the total amount possible.

Well, he didn't. The total possible amount didn't change and it seems
those 3 days have mysteriously vanished into this quarters pay.

How can I get underpaid for last year, get paid back for it this year,
and then have it count towards this years salary amount?

Not fair at all.

Crap... did this makes sense? Because it's getting harder
and harder to make sense of what this guy sees as being fair.
(Funny how my check is never OVER the amount agreed on...)

What can I do?

Thanks.

The rules vary by state but assuming your state has no rules on this, the company can set their own policy on unused vacation days.  They can have a use it or lose it policy, they can pay you out for them, they can refuse to pay you out for them, they can mandate that you can only carry over a certain amount....

Have you asked your boss what happened to these 3 days?  Has he added them to this year' s vacation maybe?

I' d start by politely asking he boss, or whoever the appropriate person is, what happened to the 3 days.  Tess is correct, however.  It does depend on what the company' s policy says about unused vacation days.  You might want to check your company handbook before asking what happened to those 3 days, however, just so if you need to ask you can at least say you checked the handbook first.  Zat help?

Employee handbook?
Hahahahah.... (sorry, but that's a hoot to me)

If we had one, I don't think I'd need to read these forums as much as I do.

To be honest, our small company doesn't really have a policy regarding
unused vacation, since most others here seem too afraid to even take theirs.

Not me. I on the other hand, have been working here for over
ten years and was granted 3 weeks of vacation (verbally) by my boss.

I also checked with him two weeks in advance (of the year end) to make certain
we were on the same page as far as using my unused vacation time to
cover for the hours I missed. He agreed and said "No problem."

Imagine my surprise - when it came time to do so, I was shorted 3 days.
When I told him of the error, my W2's were already set in stone.

So he paid me this year for it.

I just got my 1st quarter bonus, and I didn't get my normal amount + 3 days of pay...
it got lumped together.

A solution may be to:

A) Ask for 3 days worth of work in cash. This would make it possible
to pay me what I earned, while keeping the "books" on track.

or

B) Ask to be granted 3 extra days of vacation for this year.

What do you think?

Well, at least I' m glad you got a chuckle out of the preposterous presumption that your company might have a policy manual or handbook, (it ought to, regardless of how small the company is).  If I were you, I' d talk to the boss and ask him which way he' d prefer to handle it and give him same two options you proposed here.  Just remind him of the missing three days and ask which way he' d prefer to go!  That way the presumption is that he remembers what he said, just as you do, rather than asking him if he remembers which, I suppose, he could claim he doesn' t.  Zat help?

Maybe you should offer him a third option, how big a boy is he, anyway?

YOU are confusing ME with numbers!

It sounds like you realized at the end of 2006 that you hadn't worked enough hours to make your full salary. You went to your boss and asked to take your unused vacation pay to make up the hours (assuming that you wanted your W-2 to reflect your normal annual wages).

I assume this happened in 2007. The company can't pay you those hours in 2007 and put them on your 2006 W-2. What goes on your W-2 is wages paid IN THAT YEAR. If your vacation pay was paid to you in 2007, it goes on 2007's W-2.

"How can I get underpaid for last year, get paid back for it this year, and then have it count towards this years salary amount?"

Basically, that's how the law works!

p.s. - You weren't underpaid for last year. You just didn't work enough hours.

"YOU are confusing ME with numbers! "
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Yep... and I'm not even a "numbers" guy, so you can imagine.

"It sounds like you realized at the end of 2006 that you hadn't worked enough hours to make your full salary. You went to your boss and asked to take your unused vacation pay to make up the hours (assuming that you wanted your W-2 to reflect your normal annual wages)."
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That is correct. He agreed and said no problem.

"I assume this happened in 2007. The company can't pay you those hours in 2007 and put them on your 2006 W-2. "
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I understand that... hence - my problem that needs to be solved.
He missed 3 days of vac. pay. How is that my fault?

"What goes on your W-2 is wages paid IN THAT YEAR. If your vacation pay was paid to you in 2007, it goes on 2007's W-2. "
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Again, I understand that.... but it still doesn't make it right.
He should've paid me for the 3 days before my W2's were ever made.

"How can I get underpaid for last year, get paid back for it this year, and then have it count towards this years salary amount?"

Basically, that's how the law works!
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The law? .... I got shorted out of either: A) money or B) 3 vac. days

Take your pick, but I was wronged... If I would've known he was going to do this to me, I would've taken my last three days of vacation prior to Jan. 1st, which is when the new working year began.

"p.s. - You weren't underpaid for last year. You just didn't work enough hours. "
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No... I had vacation time I never took and need to get paid for it.
Especially when I was told to my face, 2 weeks prior to years end that
it wouldn't be a problem.

I appreciate your opinion, but for my sake instead of playing devil's advocate,
tell me what YOU would do if YOU were shorted 3 days of vac/pay?

That would help me out a lot better.

Thanks again.

Air, perhaps I missed this particular point, but why don't you just take the 3 unused vacation days as paid days now? Could be this is easier for your boss than paying you 3 extra days of pay in your check.

Many companies do not pay for unused vacation days--you use 'em. lose 'em, or carry them forward, but do not get paid for them if you don't take them. And if you company does not have a written policy you cannot "make" your boss pay you for the carryover days, even though he said he would. Why don't you just put in a request for 3 days off, and stipulate that you are "using the 3 days of vacation carried over from 2006." I honestly don't think you can demand the pay, but if he said he would do so, I'd bet he'd let you take the time off as PTO instead. Maybe cash is tight right now, and he can't justify the extra right now, or maybe it's a bookkeeping nightmare, or whatever.

What is the difference to you whether you get the cash in your check, or you get the days off? That's what vacation days are for--taking time off, not banking them to get paid for them!

"Air, perhaps I missed this particular point, but why don't you just take the 3 unused vacation days as paid days now? Could be this is easier for your boss than paying you 3 extra days of pay in your check. "
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That's what I'm going to ask for. it seems to be the best way to resolve the
problem without having to cook the books so to speak.

My other thought was to ask for 3 days worth of pay out of pocket,
but I'm not foolish enough to really think he would go for that option.

"or maybe it's a bookkeeping nightmare, or whatever. "
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Yes, he's great at creating those....

"What is the difference to you whether you get the cash in your check, or you get the days off? That's what vacation days are for--taking time off, not banking them to get paid for them! "
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I know. Trust me, THIS year, I'll be taking all 15 days of vacation...
with the addition of 3 from last year (I hope). No more BS.
Every year it seems he finds a way to short me and I'm tired of it.

$400 might not mean much to him, but to my family, that's a
couple months worth of food on the table.

Again, thanks for the help!

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