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Offer too low when to walk


  I flew 800 miles for a job interview for a company that was creating a new department.  It seemed like a good fit for the both of us and the owner researched for a week as to what he could offer the candidate.  He then offered me the position at 46k.  In my current area the standard range is around 75k for the same position.

I declined with no counter offer.  I then interviewed with a 2nd company and they wanted to move forward so they had me take a Caliper assessment test.  They then asked if I could fly the 3,000 miles to interview in person.  While thinking about the 1st company I was determined not to make the same mistake again and was going to ask their salary range when they brought up the subject and gave me a range the position would pay.

It was 45k-60k.  I feel I am a very strong candidate and my range is 75k + for the low end.  The high end of their offer was 80% of the value of my low end.   Thinking the gulf was too large I asked them to remove my name from consideration.

Was I too quick?  With the product they sell the competitiors products are very similar.  There is little difference in quality.  Basically this type of business you' re either selling service or price and if their offer was that low I suspect they' re selling price and while there are many companies that sell price I want to catch on with someone who sells service. 

What is the range where a counter offer should be made or not?

Are you taking into consideration the differences in location and cost of lving? it seems to me that two companies now have been in the same ballpark, though the first company was on the low end. Are they both worng? Perhaps $60k is where you should be aiming and not $75k, unless you are staying in the same geographical location.

And I would ask how you know that the "standard range" in your area for that position is $75k. Are you making that now? Is anyone you know who' s in that specific position making that? is that the range being advertised in your local papers and business publications, posted on online job sites, etc.? Or is that the range that salary.com is giving you?

The 1st one the cost of living is less so I can account for some of that.  Not 30k but some of it. 

It is a fairly specialized field and numerous examples can be found about the wage for these positions on the internet.  It is where I cultivated a few comparables.   I wouldn' t mind relocating, it' s almost a necessity.  The field is specialized enough where an employer almost has to expect a relocation in order to find a qualified applicant.

I got the range from knowing a few individuals in the same positions and to further bolster my reasoning I' ve interviewed with a company 200 miles away and that was their budget range. 

I am in a different field right now so as for what I am earning it can' t compare.   There is no close field that I could look at salary.com.  I have to find specific job postings in order to get comparables.

Well, I think it would have probably been a good idea to at least to have asked if the first offer was negotiable. The second range that was given suggests to me that maybe your anticipated salary is too high.  How did you come up with $75K as a "standard range" for whatever type position this is?  Before deciding if you were too quick in your rejection of these opportunities, lets hear a little more about why you think $75K is the low end of your range, if you don' t mind... 

Since your area is so specialized, is it possible the employers just aren't aware of the going rate?  This happened to me a  few years ago when a company offered me 1/2 of what I currently made.  HR was under the misapprehension that the standard compensation for my position was the same as that of another, related position.  Just lack of research on their part.  I educated them, then accepted an offer from a company that knew what they were talking about.

I' m sure that many employers try to stay current on what comparable salaries are being offered by other companies in the same or related businesses, but there still are, in my opinion, many employers who make a conscientious effort to determine what particular jobs are worth to their particular companies, despite what salary surveys suggest.  It' s still the employer who get to decide what that particular job is worth to his or her organization, neither the survey nor the competition.  That may mean that the employer can' t recruit the best talent, or it may mean that the employer is happy to hire a second-tier of talent that' s willing to accept a salary within the range the employer has budgeted for a particular job.  While I think your point about doing the appropriate research is valid, it still doesn' t mean that employers are bound to a salary range that some "survey " suggests they should be paying.  Here' s another way to look at it: I may come up with a salary range I think is fair and one that I can afford to pay for a particular job.  I may not care what other employers are paying for the same type of job.  I may not be able to afford the top tier of candidates, but I' m fairly confident that I' ll be able to find qualified people, who need a job, and who are willing to accept the salary I can afford and I think is fair.  That may mean I have to hire someone with less experience, or less skill, or less training, but if I do the best job I can of finding the right person, I may be just fine anyway.  Here' s the analogy: Not every team in the National Football League can afford to pay for the services of Payton Manning, but there are still plenty of quarterbacks anxious to prove what they can do and EARN a higher salary based on their performance and their ability, over time, to fill the stadium.  In that scenario, everybody wins - quarterback/employee, team/company, owner/employer.

Thanks for the information.  I concur completely with your assessment.  I thought that they have a certain budgeted range that they were going to stick to and get the best possible person in there for that salary.  They don' t necessarily want the top of the candidate list they are going to stay in their market.

You' re right, all employers can' t be the NY Yankee' s or the Red Sox.  There has to be the Minnesota Twins and the Royals of the world.   From their initial offer range I knew they were the smaller market team.  Even if they had planned what I thought the range should be (from experience, people I know holding these jobs and searches) for them to lowball it that much meant I wasn' t interested in their company.

I would think that if TWO employers came back with salary ranges much less than what you are seeking either you have an unrealistic view of what the salary should be or you are looking at the wrong jobs. There's just too much difference here to explain away with companies being cheap, of cost of living, etc...

I would suggest looking your salary expectations and the level of the positions to which you are applying to see if they really match.

Were you too quick? I don't think so. Both interviews were/would have been a waste of time.

Well I do understand the 1st offer being so low because it was a smaller operation and the job also entailed setting up this particular department as they do not have that department in their company at the present time.  Unfamiliarity with the department to me would explain his lack of insight as well as they' re in a smaller market and have a smaller operation.

The 2nd opportunity as far as I can tell just didn' t want an upper tier employee in that position?

To me it' s easier to explain the 2 low offers vs. the 1/2 dozen or so examples of the range that is far more typical that I see around here.

p.s. The 1st one I received an job offer it went way beyond an interview.  With the 2nd I had 2 interviews as well as an online assessment test before the salary range came up.  Trust me, I wouldn' t have traveled from Boston to Tacoma for an in person interview without finding a range.  I made that mistake with the NC position.

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