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Political / War hiring Bias


Ok,

I have been perusing and networking through many places in order to find a position stateside. So I didn't see any relative information so I'll ask here. I just need a career position and work asap and it hasn't happened so here it goes.

Quick background:

(2) degrees, (13yrs prior AD military service), the last 4 years working in the desert as a contractor during this "whatever you want to call it, over there thing".

Yes, I have lost friends, coworkers and myself once or twice, but its a job with consequences, understood, BUT...heres the BUT: To me being able to successfully complete over 17 projects in that atmosphere with successes that would be a plus..NO? for any employer who needs some who is dedicated, focused and able to get the job done without complaint or complacency, RIGHHTT? (S**T , I'd hire me in a nano second)...

It almost seems detrimental to have served or even worked there or mention  it , I am beginning to think that political biases, based on ones current political stances seem to hamper my search for a job. Not mine , theirs. I'm I going crazy? Sure, there are laws that are in place to cover everything from discrimination under the sun. But I am beginning to think that working there, employers see that as a negative. Am I wrong?

Please, I'd like to hear from anyone who has an opinion or advise on it....Is there Bias?  or am I crazy?

Thanks..

 

I can't say for sure what the problem is, but I doubt it is merely because you have served "over there." (Even the most anti-war people I know would not refuse to hire an ex-serviceperson, if that person were qualified for the job.)

Rather, could it be--rather than what you were doing where--that employers are concerned about the extended period of time you were away from a "traditional" workforce job? And/or are worried about how well you will adjust to the "8 to 5" routine?

Or, despite your obvious multi-tasking skills, are you not presenting them in a concise, clear, and logical enough way to make it clear how those skills can help you in your new line of work?

Prior to your service, did you work a "regular" job utilizing either of your degrees? How much practical experience did you have? Have you kept specific skills up during your military tenure?

Have you tried applying at private firms that do government defense contracting? Around here there are defense contractors that hire a lot of ex military.

And, last, I hate to say this, and of course, it would be distasteful if this were happening, do you think potential employers might worry about your future health, and be thinking you may end up taking a lot of time off?

Anne ,

Thanks for the reply and I'll try and answer as clearly and concisely as I can  after each question

I can't say for sure what the problem is, but I doubt it is merely because you have served "over there." (Even the most anti-war people I know would not refuse to hire an ex-serviceperson, if that person were qualified for the job.) One of the problems is, that when It is seen or mentioned (and my resume reflects clarity and qualifications) is that even though I do get some calls, the question usually comes back to the ole "so what's really happening?" (curious human nature) and even though well intentioned and well skilled avoidance practices of discussing personal opinions is utilized concerning the "current situation" and I try to deflect that conversation at all cost.

Rather, could it be--rather than what you were doing where--that employers are concerned about the extended period of time you were away from a "traditional" workforce job? And/or are worried about how well you will adjust to the "8 to 5" routine? Could be, maybe I had to cover a wide range of duties above and beyond  being the PM over 2 Provinces. Whatever needed to be done, review and administer the contract(s), RFP, to site development / visits and inspection , to cleaning a toilet if it was clogged (yes multi-tasked*lol* )NO not for everyone and usually worked an 85 hour work week. The thing is that I go beyond the 8-5 and a 12hr work day would be a norm for a potential employer from me, so it's truly a bargain*lol*

Some things I cant talk about , just is due to obvious reasons, not bad, but there is a fine line. But as a positive it shows integrity, and confidentiality to a future employer. I would like to think that an educated person would see that without having to write it on a chalk board or who has never worked in an atmosphere besides a desk, just is.

You'd have to define traditional in this day and age. No after HS, I didn't go directly to 4 years then to the corporate world if that what you mean. My degrees were earned while I worked at the same time and I would think that showed determination, perseverance, above and beyond the norm, but hey I'm no expert on the norm

Or, despite your obvious multi-tasking skills, are you not presenting them in a concise, clear, and logical enough way to make it clear how those skills can help you in your new line of work? I was wondering if was me, or the others who can't see where the skill sets are applied without the dumbing down, so to speak of e resume. Again , without spelling it out shouldn't someone see through that? Its' true in this day and age everyone seems to be out for themselves (I have always believed in the team approach to anything) and that wonder if a hiring manager may say "Oh S***, he's more qualified than me (ergo circular file) 

Prior to your service, did you work a "regular" job utilizing either of your degrees? How much practical experience did you have? Have you kept specific skills up during your military tenure? My family owned a business, and I worked up through the ranks so to speak without SOB designation (son of boss). The odd jobs while I went to school so the wealth of experience is not the problem there.

Have you tried applying at private firms that do government defense contracting? Around here there are defense contractors that hire a lot of ex military. And yes, that is what I do (did) and don't want to do that anymore for them (but may have too). The problem is, you have a more than 90% chance while "on the ground" there in getting a position "that side of the pond" so to speak and yes, unscrupulous activities by some companies I wont partake in.(don't get me started..*LoL*.) so I do have some contacts and and am trying to weed through that.

And, last, I hate to say this, and of course, it would be distasteful if this were happening, do you think potential employers might worry about your future health, and be thinking you may end up taking a lot of time off? *LoL* I would hope not, but maybe. Just ask, I'm healthy fit and have more shots than most, it seems if THAT was an issue all they had to do is ask. Health? I made it through 4 years of 130+ degree temps in summer and didn't melt and have always worked through the menial complaints I have heard from some so.....but its a good question... I don't know if it has any bearing...

One of the problems is, that when It is seen or mentioned (and my resume reflects clarity and qualifications) is that even though I do get some calls, the question usually comes back to the ole "so what's really happening?" (curious human nature) and even though well intentioned and well skilled avoidance practices of discussing personal opinions is utilized concerning the "current situation" and I try to deflect that conversation at all cost.

"So what is really happening?" is not an invitation to open your political agenda.  It is as you point out, just a curious conversational question, just as when someone says "how are you?" they rarely want to know anything other than "fine, thanks"!  You don't need to deflect the coversation, you need to address it first,  with something like:  "Well, it really is a very difficult and dangerous sitution. It would take me a year to give you all the details!" then go from there to something that ties back to the topic at hand.

 I was wondering if was me, or the others who can't see where the skill sets are applied without the dumbing down, so to speak of e resume. Again , without spelling it out shouldn't someone see through that?

No.  It isn't their job to see through all that.  It is YOUR job to show them how the things connect.  Your interview is your chance to explain to them how what you've done translates to what they want.

Keep in mind too that it can be a big leap from the military to the corporate world.  As Anne Marie said, government contractors are a good transition spot.  There are lots of government contractors that work in the US, I'm not talking about assignments "over there".  Other industries where you have a large amount of former military include police, fire and Red Cross. 

Finally, it may be something to do with whatever it is that you are look for in terms of a job.  What exactly are you applying for and does your previous experience really line up well with that?  Use whatever military services exist (I'm sure there are some) to have your resume reviewed, go over what your skills, abilities and interests are and how they line up with civilian jobs and to practice your interview skills.  I think this is a lot less about your military service and more about how you're putting that service across.

All the best!

Tess

Tess thank you just needed some further insight 

"Well, it really is a very difficult and dangerous situation. It would take me a year to give you all the details!"

I can't tell you how many times for a while, almost verbatim, I have said that *lol* However astute intuitiveness,( which allowed me to stay alive) has also given me honed skills to know when it asked either way and for the most part it leans more towards "getting the scoop on the bad" and more personal. As well having worked in the Corp /Big Business 4 years in doing what I've done, I understand the difference, just not really a suit and tie guy.

Keep in mind too that it can be a big leap from the military to the corporate world.  As Anne Marie said, government contractors are a good transition spot.  There are lots of government contractors that work in the US, I'm not talking about assignments "over there".  Other industries where you have a large amount of former military include police, fire and Red Cross. 

Trust me I am looking at all and am networking to the hilt. I have edited and had a Professional Resume writer do one. Yes, dependent on the particular position across a broad spectrum of industries, it has been tweaked accordingly. So, having 5-10 different resumes for anyone different position, specifically designed, is the right choice?

Thanks again Tess

So, having 5-10 different resumes for anyone different position, specifically designed, is the right choice?

Absolutely.  You should have a basic resume for the types of jobs you want then tweak accordingly.  Let's say you're applying for positions as Sr. Dog Groomer and also for positions as Restaurant Busboy.  You'd have 2 basic resumes, then when you read the job posting, you tweak so that you hit a lot of key words and ideas from the actual posting.  Then in the cover letter, you expound on more things that they seem to be specifically looking for and point them out. 

Tess

Tess,

 I was wondering if you or anyone you know here here can critique my resume and give some feed back?...any hope is better than none

I's sure like to hear it..good bad indifferent

Go ahead and post on the resume board minus name, address, phone, etc.  You'll get a lot of great (free) feedback there and I'll make a point to go have a look for it.

 

Tess

Tess

Thank you for the information and I will

Tess,

 I figured I'd put it here on this forum for you because I realized that the resume board is overwelmingly full with so many and none read.

 If you can, I know its long, whatever you see good bad indifferent I'm willing and thank you from the bottom .

Gary

 

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