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Dont say you were fired


Normally, don't even admit you were fired.  You pursued other opportunities.  However, if you are going for a government job with secret clearance or deep into financial services where it might bite you then - and only then - be honest right up front and maybe take that one persons advice about getting a lawyer to fix your employee file.  Otherwise, some HR departments don't check as thoroughly as you think and maybe you can even eventually do your resume over in a different format (not chronological) that skips this job.  Also, many employers only go back ~10 years on application.    Mostly, when HR depts. do check they get the dates of employment line. Also, perhaps if you are "friends" with someone there list them as your supervisor and have them confirm dates of employment and say "We'd be glad to hire her back".  Frankly, in hindsight, you got bent over and should have fought the firing anyway.  It was BS.  Unfortunately, you are putting a black mark on your own record because your old employer was an ass.  So I'd say don't be honest but maybe it depends.  Good luck.

I was recently fired for "not following company policy" in a Civil Service position which I had held for 16 years. In my termination letter, they never cited what policy I did not follow. Prior to this, I had had an unblemished record as a state employed Registered Nurse and made about $750,000 in previously  unrecovered revenue for my hospital. I am an RN in New Orleans, where they are dying ( no pun intended) for nurses. I Have 30 years of good solid nursing experience.

Prior to Hurricane Katrina, I had had PTSD( Post Traumatic Stress disorder), and when they called me back to work, they placed me in an unfamiliar job for which I had no experience, but took it because I needed a job and they misrepresented the job they offered me, not telling me the patients were much sicker than they told me and needed equipment that I was unfamiliar with. Each time I spoke to my supervisor about it (she had been called back in an unfamiliar job as well) she sympathized with me and said, "Oh, I could never do this job either, so I know how you feel."

Anyway, the job shock brought back my PTSD in a much more severe condition than ever before. I was required by my physician to take two months off from this hell of a job. When say hell of a job, as an RN taking care of victims of gunshot wounds and other violent crimes, I was spit on, thrown #### at, threatened with my life, and bitten by patient with gold teeth (they are much sharper than regular teeth). My nursing colleagues also experienced this as well.

Prior to my return, I had been called by HR and offered a promotion which I signed the papers for. I informed my sup of this promotion when calling to arrange return to work. She told me she could hold me back from the promotion according to civil service rules for up to 90 days and that I had to return to work on her unit because they were severely short staffed. 

Upon my return, on October 4, 2006, my boss informed me that I was going to be fired because, while on sick leave, I taught a one hour class on Forensics in Nursing, my area of expertise. I was not paid to do this, but the class was held on a cruise, and my expenses were paid for by the university I taught the class for. She had already called or emailed the civil service disciplinary person in the HR department prior to speaking to me upon my return. Which means she had already decided to discipline me prior to speaking to me.

I continued to work and was even placed in a position of night shift charge nurse until January 12, when I was handed a termination letter which had many false statements and omitted facts in it. I hired an attorney and am going to be appealing the action in a civil service hearing on April 17, 2007. They also denied my unemployment benefits claim. I haven' t worked since then, and am continuing to repair my hurricane damaged house, living on my savings. While working, I was never released to the new promotion, and was held there for 116 days. I called civil service and they have no such rule. Now, I don' t even have health insurance, but continue to pay for my therapy out of pocket. COBRA is over $500 a month for me alone.

I know this is a long story, but I feel I have to tell it because I want to hear some feedback. I am a good nurse and prefer to work a job where I deal with the public providing information or education. I didn' t want to apply for a job until this negative mark is taken off my record, but I recently found a job that I would love to do. It' s also in the civil service system here in Louisiana. I fear that my secret of being fired will come out, so what should I do? I am waiting on an in person interview for the new job. HELP!

I am glad I read your note. I was feeling mighty lonely down here. I was working in a similar situation and was terminated without being given a reason also. My situation is almost identical to yours.  My heart goes out to you.  I can hear the hurt, the anger and the anguish you must be feeling.  I posted a note on Monster directed towards nurses because it is therapeutic for me to write.  I know there must be more nurses out there who have experienced what we have.  I wish I knew of an agency or some group that helps nurses in our position.  I allowed myself to become burned out because I was trying to do an impossible task.  I didn' t know my limitations.  I' m sure the same thing happened to you since your letter sounds so familiar to me. 

With this last job and my questionable termination,  I requested to see my personnel record which we employees have a right to do, but I am not getting a response from anyone.  I am frustrated that we nurses are treated so badly by employers and supervisors who have no clue what nurses do. We are the best multitaskers in any profession besides being mothers!

I don' t know if you have made this observation, but we nurses are often times supervised by non-medical personnel. This is one strike against us because they have no clue about our time management and other skills. Our assignments are unrealistic at times and then we have to be accountable for every bit of our interaction with the public.  We have licenses we must maintain with the required continuing education credits and so many other details to maintain our licenses and right to work within our profession. 

I recently was terminated from a position where there were four other nurses who accepted the same position as I did. The last nurse departed with a psychiatric condition.  I didn' t learn about this until it was close to the time I was terminated. I have written letters up the channel and hope that another nurse does not have to have the same mismanagement as me and my predecessors have experienced.

It is the silent ones who create the opportunity for the perpetuation of maltreatment of nurses.  They leave their jobs without really telling anyone how bad it is or about the managers who do not know how to manage. The next nurse who walks in the door has all that garbage to deal with and it just isn' t fair.

I' m sitting here unemployed, worried about my bills, not being able to find another job, being put out on the street and the game goes on and on. I hope that I have made a difference by writing letters and letting people in positions of power know what we little guys are experiencing.

The only justification in my mind and I hope you can see this too in retrospect is that it is a blessing to not have to continue to work with unethical people. There is another opportunity and another door that will open for us.  Now that you have been through "hell", you' ll  feel the heat before it actually consumes you the next time.

Good luck to you and your job hunting. I have tried to frame my experience and know that I would' ve been very unhappy going to work every day at a place that was unhealthy for me. I hope you can find some peace also.  It isn' t a good feeling to be rejected.  That is what firing is about. It is telling us that we aren' t good enough or that we did something bad. In my heart, I know I am a good person with good intentions towards everyone I come in contact with, especially providing services to the public.   I cried for about a week before I began to rally.

My suggestion to you if you are having difficulty sorting things out and are depressed, etc. is to seek out a therapist to speak to. I have had to do this in my past.  I found a wonderful, receptive understanding woman to talk to about my emotions and work situation.  It does help to clarify those self doubts and to put your thinking back on a healthier track.  I am sure you will be okay as I think I will be.  I just want to reach out and give you a hug. I wish there was some way to get in touch with you besides just this note on Monster.

I just want to say that if I can do anything for you and your situation and if I learn of anything new that might be available to we nurses who go beyond the call of duty and get burned out, I' ll let you know per Monster.

God bless you.  You will definitely be on my prayer list.

Wow! thanks for that long note. by the way, I am doing fine. I have a great therapist! i am on meds and they work well. i' m getting plenty of unaided sleep and hardly anymore bad dreams. I have a positive outlook and look forward to my next position. i know God has something great planned for me and i patiently await that. ( same goes for my love life, haha!)

your situation sounds so similar, i wondered if we had worked at the same place, but then i noted your time zone is different.

One of the hardest parts of this was that i could not tell anyone at my old job what happened. a few of them called me to see what happened and that they wanted to keep in touch, but i haven' t responded because i can' t talk about the firing with them until the appeal is over.

i was actually starting to like going to work at the end there. it was mangement that i did not respect and i felt they didn' t respected us. my manager was a post patrum manager prior to the storm and placed in a basicly step down trauma intensive care unit management position. every time you talked to her, she was so stressed and told you about it. like i cared! she snuck in and out of the unit every day and did NOT even stop to say good morning or check on us before leaving for the day. That action, to me, told volumes! i think she was scared we' d ask her a question she couldn' t answer cus she didn' t know how to be a nurse on that unit like we were expected to be. i do have some anger toward her but it will get me nowhere, so i have to pray for her instead.

so, thank you for respoding. you know, writing this was therapy for me. i now realize just how very angry I am!

Your response to me was therapeutic to me. Thank you so much for writing. See, this is what I am talking about. You know yourself that labor and delivery is nothing like the work you did. People supervising nurses that have more skills than they do. Not fair! She couldn' t do the job you were doing if they tripled her salary.

I am so glad to hear that you are in a good place.  I am leaving for a trip this weekend to visit a friend of 50 years to see her daughter in a play.  It will be so good to see my friends again and share a week of their life! Nothing like feeling like we' re in a healthy and nurturing place!

I am actually frightened for the first time in my long life about the state of affairs that I have personally experienced and know other nurses have also.  I would like to continue working until retirement, but am considering something outside of my 38+ years nursing career due to the incompetence of the managers I am meeting. If they had a credential that was renewed every two years based on competency, they wouldn' t be so hasty to abuse power. What is going on in nursing?  Not the same as when I first entered my career in 1969.

You have just made my day knowing that you are okay and on the road to recovery.  Praise God!  When I spoke about being able to recognize doors that HE opens for us, I was speaking spiritually.  Some people pshaw this or don' t understand what I mean.  That doesn' t matter, because I am the one who has to recognize God' s plan for me and see those opportunities that avail themselves to me.

Good luck.  I will still keep you in my prayers.  I know by what you have said that you are a good nurse and your heart is in the right place...otherwise you wouldn' t have been burned out and neither would I!

YOU GO GIRL! GO AND GET ALL THE NURTURING YOU CAN FROM YOUR FRIENDS. THAT WILL SUSTAIN YOU FOR AWHILE.

As for me, i was and in fact, still am an internationally known forensic nursing expert prior to the storm. Please google Kareena Boudreaux to find out more. i speak nationally and internationally on forensics and i think that' s what pissed her off. She' s not an expert on anything! I am a sought out expert in my field. and stupid, stupid, hospital, they don' t think forensics has anything to do with trauma. girl, it has EVERYTHING to do with trauma! i know that right now, there are at least 50 unrecovered bullets that the cops need to solve crimes here in the city, but there is no one who cares enough about victims of crime to know what to do with them. they have no idea they are obstructing justice by with holding evidence in that manner.

For now, I am pursuing two avenues i have wanted to pursue for a long time: Legal Nurse Consulting and Private Investigating. Doors are opening in both arenas. i was contacted last week by a firm in Chicago who wants me to handle all the PI work in Louisiana for them. go me! and the LNC course is coming up soon. That is something you could do as well and be your own boss! I have 30 plus years of nursing as well. we are too valuable to sit at home.

I haven' t checked out your site yet, but will do that sometime. You' re getting me excited now. I also have been looking into Legal Nurse Consulting (Vicki Melazo (sp?). I have always been interested in Forensic nursing but didn' t know how to get involved. I envy you. I have recently been accepted into a MPH program.  I guess this is what I am doing to validate myself and move on. There are so many opportunities out there, I just don' t know how to.  I am so happy for you that your dreams are almost tangible. See, God did have a plan for you. To get out of that going nowhere place to fulfilling your dreams.  Praise God!

Just thought I' d respond before turning off my computer. You have made my day! I feel almost like a "tiger" now...strong and hopeful.  (The reality is, I am a cat lady and have five cats!  They are all strays. Don' t panic, I have a very large home and they are all very healthy and well adjusted!).

I have checked out vicky' s course and find it to always be needing more money. check with your local nursing schools about the LNC course. I' m going though LSU' s course, and there is an online course. also check out IAFN' s website for more info on forensic nursing. you can get more info from or check out tonia aiken on the web. i' m taking her course. i think Kaplan University has one also. i have an article on there. i also have published on nurseweek.com. look up forensic nursing, and you can just about guess which article i' ve written. haha, happy hunting!

I plugged Kareena Boudreux into my browser and came up with Eileen Dreyer. I learned that Kareena B. is a character...shame on you for making me find out this way...pretty tricky! I' m going to go buy the book so I get to know both you and Eileen better.  I feel as though I' m corresponding to someone out of my league.   Reminds me of the scene in Wayne' s World, "I' m not worthy..."! Getting to know you like this should tell everyone on Monster who is reading our communication that even successful people fall down and must get back up! I admire your spirit. I admire more that you were working beneath your capabilities and are rallying from the bad experience.  I guess this is God' s way of telling you that you were going in the wrong direction.  You were on your way up, not supposed to go down.  It was one of his reminders.  I hope the same applies to me.  We' ll see.  If only other people behind you would not have to experience the same thing...being fired unjustly as I was.  I did try to make it a better place for nurses who followed me by writing letters, etc.

Thank you for the suggestions of sites to check out. I am a big fan of all the forensic and detective shows on tv and often wondered if I wouldn' t enjoy being in that field. You have given me renewed hope and a curiosity to investigate.  Much thanks to you.  You have been a blessing to me in more ways than one!

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