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Can I call HR


Over the past month I had four interviews with a major corporation.  The first two interviews were by phone, and they loved me.  I submitted an online ' assessment' prior to my third (first in-person) interview. 

This interview went amazingly well.  The interviewer loved me and told me I would have no problems with the 4th and 5th interview in the process. 

I got jerked around a little on a time and date for the 4th interview, it kept changing, but once set that went just as well as the rest. 

Ideas I brought forth were well received and I was even told that of all the years this interviewing manager and all the others on his level had, no one had ever thought of these things and he loved them.  This interviewer even went so far as to tell me what to expect at the next interview, even about events which I would participate in after completing their corporate training course.  He even said that he wanted someone with certain skills, which he said I had, and the ability to work independently, which I had done in my last position and he stated ' which you have done in the past' .

I was told I would be called two days later on a Friday.  It didn' t happen.  The next Monday was a holiday.  I did not receive a call on Tuesday so on Wednesday I called the HR person (with which I had a prior telephone interview).  She told me not to panic yet, that with the holiday she was a little behind and would make some calls and get back to me by the end of the day.  She never called me.

I check my e-mail several times a day and later that night before going to bed I checked my e-mail again and found an e-mail from the HR person, dated for the day prior, stating that I did not get the position.  That e-mail was not there all day.  And if she had sent the e-mail the day before I would have thought she would have told me so over the telephone. 

It is quite easy to back date an e-mail by setting the time of your computer back to a date and time you wish to use.  That will be the time and date which will be stamped on the e-mail as having been sent.  (I have done this before and know it works).

After all of that my question is...?  Can I, or should I, call this HR person, or the last person I interviewed with and ask them why I did not get the position? 

The e-mail stated "While I appreciate the skills and talents you would bring to our company, we do not have an appropriate management opening at this time"

The only reason I can see for not getting the job was either I did not do well on my online assessment, but they had that prior to any in-person interview, or that they called my former employer for a reference and he lied-as one person who still works at my former employ told me that this manager told her that I would be coming back to work there.

I can understand you are really upset, but this happens to all of us.  I once had three interviews with three different people at a company, and thought I had the job.  I never heard from them again.  No phone call or "Dear John" letter. Nothing.  (This was over fifteen years ago, before the Internet).

I  would say calling the company to try to find out why you didn' t get the job is not a good idea.  Most people only give stock answers such as, "We found someone with a better fit," or something else generic. Be glad they even send you a rejection notice.  Only about one third of the companies I have interviewed with have done that.

They obviously found someone they thought was better suited.  I know it sucks, but I have had many interviewers tell me I was just what they were looking for, and then they hired someone else.  Sometimes it' s just them telling  you things to put you at ease.  It' s psychological warfare. 

Just pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again (to quote the very appropriate words to a very old song.)  You have to develop a rather thick skin when job hunting, and try not to take rejection personally.

You never know when the right job will come along, and you WILL be the chosen candidate. 

Okay FIRST of all what is this CRAP I' m seeing about people going on 4th and 5th interviews?? I never heard of something so stupid.

I thought at the very MOST 2

The first TWO interviews were by phone? What kind of messed up place is this??

1st interview should be by phone....THEN, the next interview IN-PERSON people!!

Every job I ever applied for called me FIRST on the phone..and set up an IN PERSON Interview (which is the normal way to do things, or traditional)

Whats up with this 5 interview on the phone, and 5 interviews in person bullcrap???? I' ve actually NEVER Heard of anything so!

No, I understand the process and, while quite a bit to go through, I agree with it. 

Not only is it an interview of myself, I am interviewing them. 

It is for a $50,000.00 + a year job and I did not mind the number of interviews.  The 5th interview was just an informal meeting with the Regional VP, for him to meet the manager' s below him.

Part of what I am going through is that I am doing well in all areas of interviewing, getting the ' old boys club' slap on the back when I leave.  I fear that when checking my last place of employment for a reference that he is giving me a bad one, or telling lies as he has made it quite clear, not only to myself but to others that he wants me back.  I feel that he is stopping me from getting work else where but I have no proof.
As an update, I just found out that they re-posted the job for which I had interviewed.  I have called the HR person but got her voice mail.  I did not leave a message.  I will call her again later today.
4th and 5th interviews are not unheard of but you, as a candidate, really should weigh your own value in relation to how much you value the opportunity. You should ask your self if these tertiary interviews appear a planned process or are they sorta just passing on the decision... If it' s the latter, do you really want to work for a company as disorganized or for somebody that isn' t really sure if you are that fit?

Yeah, I think this is a case where you need to call and see if they will clue you in as to what happened. Glad to see you' ve already tried. Keep calling till you reach a live person, but don' t leave lots of voice mail messages. If you can' t get hold of HR, I' d call the hiring manager or even one of the VIPs you interviewed with. But the first thing I' d do is have somebody posing as a potential employer CALL your old company and find out if what you assume is happening is indeed the case. You should have done this earlier if you suspected this. If it is, you can bring it up in a conversation, if they' re reticent to discuss it with you. If you feel you' re getting the runaround you can say "I understand my previous employer has been telling other firms that I am going to be going back to work for him. However, that is not accurate, and if your hesitation to hire me has something to do with that, please be assured I am not planning to do so. Your company is a place I would like to be in for the long run."

That was suggested to me yesterday by a friend and good advice too.  I will see what I can do to get someone to do that.  This same friend suggested I contact the labor board, or local career centers and discuss the situation with them, and that they may pose as a potiental employer looking for a reference.

I sent a very calm well worded e-mail to the HR person, and told her what I had heard and should this be the case for my not being hired I would like to be informed of such.  She responded quickly but did not answer the couple of questions I put to her.  What I got was generic mumbo jumbo and I don' t think I can do much more than that at this point.

I' m not sure if it depends on which state you live in, but there are laws as to what information your former employer can give out.  I know here in California you can request the information beforehand from the company you are interviewing with that includes what information they received from former employers and references.  If you are somehow able to get that information and find out that your former employer gave out information preventing you from getting the job you were applying for, you can sue them.  You might want to check out the laws in your state.
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