How to explain firing (long)Without being too verbose, I' ll give some background about what happened. The short of it was that I was fired for not being a good fit after one year of employment. Just over a year ago, I went through a jobless period. An old and close friend was the ops. manager (now COO) at a small local company, and offered to hire me for their customer service position. The pay was ok, and the position would be benefits-eligible after 90 days. He said the position was at-will and I could leave any time and there would be no hard feelings as long as I turned in a two week notice. A couple of weeks after my hiring, I met my boss. He had been out of town on business at the time I was hired. I' m somewhat outgoing and try to make a good first impression, and I could tell the boss was a little bit irritated that I was there, but not to the point that he would fire me yet. After six months, he called me into his office and said that he didn' t think I was meeting his expectations, but that he would give me a chance to turn that around. Trouble is, he didn' t tell me just what he wanted. Other members of his staff were also starting to use me as the person to do the tasks that no one else wanted or felt they had time to do. So much for dedicated customer service. He also interacted differently with me than he did the others. He was jocular with most people, but was patronizing and gruff with me. In the meantime, I was enjoying being with my friend. We' d go out to lunch a couple of times a week, and talk about pretty much everything. I brought up my concerns about the boss, and he said he was probably trying to fit me into whatever mold he envisioned for the job. If not for my friend being there, I would have left not long after the boss came back. But I stayed because I enjoyed having him around, felt I owed him some loyalty, and hoped to gain some credibility. After nine months, he called me in to his office to say that he had seen some improvement, but he still thought I needed to "shift up to the next gear." After about 11 months, I got called back into the office and told that he had received a few complaints about me from customers he met at a convention. He wouldn' t give much detail, but I decided to improve my system of organization to make sure I wasn' t failing to call people back. I also started grad school part-time. This Friday, after just over a year on the job, my friend was out of town for a commitment, and I was called into the boss' s office again. This time he told me he' d given me several chances to "step up to the plate" and provide superior job performance, and that I had not taken them. As such, he felt I was no longer a good fit with the company and was to be let go. I opted not to call my friend yet, but will probably do so Monday morning. I want to ask for a reference, and make sure the company won' t fight me if I file for unemployment. I believe we' ll still be friends, but this is something I never would have expected. How do I handle this situation in an interview? I can' t say that it was a personality conflict with the boss. I tried my best to make the job work, and felt like I was doing a good job, especially for someone who had never done inbound customer service before. Any advice would be appreciated. I don' t want to sit idle for too long, but don' t want to take the first thing that comes along either. You wanted to make this into a long message mostly to get this off your chest and vent a little, and I understand. I get the picture and others will too. Being fired is a miserable and demoralizing experience for everyone! There is nothing else quite like it and it' s traumatic even if you hated the job! Never mention anything about a personality conflict! That advice was given by either the late Ann Landers or her sister Abby many years ago, and it' s terrible. Telling hiring managers that you had a personality conflict with anyone at work sends out a red flag! Simply say that the job was a poor fit and that you lacked the abilities and skills for this particular job. Don' t complain about your former boss. You could also call this guy on the phone and ask him what he plans to say about your dismissal to potential employers if they call. In fact - do that first before you tell anyone why you were fired. Call him on Monday morning and do not put this off or it will get much more difficult! If you are looking for a similar position, leave out my suggestion about your skills and abilities not being right for this type of job. Check out the other Threads since your question comes up constantly on this Forum as well as on others and please read the Thread I started which is titled, "REQUIRED READING FOR JOB SEEKERS." The author deals with this predicament in a very interesting and entertaining way; you should read the book. Your old and close friend has nothing whatsoever to do with this crisis, and it is a crisis! Don' t tell him why you think this happened, ask him what he thinks and try to get him involved in any way. Don' t complain to him. We' re here and you can complain to us instead. Don' t discuss your unemployment claim with him or speculate about a thing regarding the situation. Don' t ask your friend for advice! When you get a new job, you can share the good news with him! I was fired once and, quite frankly, it turned out to be the best thing that could have happened. The owner' s son took over as the General Manager of the branch that I was working and he is the one who let me go. About four years after that happened, I received a phone call from one of the salesmen of that branch who told me that he was calling to find out if I would like to put in a claim for some 401K money that was available to me. It turned out that the owner' s son and some of the other new branch General Managers (I think there were six others) had embezzaled a great deal of money and the owner and his wife had to declair bankruptcy. The business had to be dissolved to avoid numerous lawsuits and the properties sold to pay off depbts. I didn' t even know that there was supposed to be some money in a 401K account for me. It deidn' t really matter to me anyway. After Tom (the salesman) and I talked and laughed about the whole thing I declined and said thatthe owner could use the $300 or $400 dollars and pay a debt. Tom said that most everybody was going to do that and the one he felt sorry for was the driver who was supposed to retire in only a few months. Anyway, I don' t even mention that particular job any longer except to say that they had declared bankruptcy and so couldn' t be counted on for a reference. I wouldn' t worry about your being fired fort he time being. As long as your friend can be counted on to give you a nice reference, your immediate supervisor (boss) probably won' t be needed. After all, a COO giving a reference is probably a better deal to most companies. As for unemployment.....isn' t that a right that all ex-employees have? I thought the only way that unemployment could be disputed by the employer is if the employee quit! Yes, I did need to get it off my chest a bit. So, you' re saying that I should call my friend and ask for a reference, and find out what he plans to say if anyone calls? I knew better than to call and whine or complain. We have been friends since we were 13 (we' re now 32), prepped at the same school and attended the same university for a couple of years. I' ve always felt like I could speak candidly and truthfully with him. Part of why I didn' t call him Friday was to make sure the call wouldn' t degenerate into whining. It' s very possible that my friend knew this was going to happen, as my boss is his subordinate. But it seems a bit out of character that he would let me get blindsided like this. It' s true that I lacked some skills here. I don' t intend to do customer service again if I can help it. On the subject of unemployment: Here in TN, employers have the option of terminating you for gross misconduct, which can make getting unemployment difficult. I strongly doubt this was done to me, and it' s kind of rare because companies can end up getting sued and having to prove misconduct. That can be easy, but it' s a drag most companies would rather avoid. My employer before this most recent one let me go in a reduction in force, and advised me to file for unemployment. Unfortunately, I didn' t qualify because I had not made enough money at a previous position. That doesn' t seem likely to happen this time, but if it does, I intend to appeal it. As bad as this may sound, I feel like I' ve earned it a bit over the past year. It would also help out with being able to finish the semester at school and for planning the near future.
I'm not broken up about the firing except for the loss of a steady paycheck. Like I said, my friend was the only reason I stayed there as long as I did. Some of the people there were pretty nice, but some others were just as bad as my boss. I kind of wish I had started an earnest job search before now. But I was afraid that it would jeopardize my school, and I'm trying to give that priority. I'd far rather get a good reference from my friend the COO. I just need to know what he plans to say so I can make my interview responses accordingly. | |
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