Mix it up with employers force the issue
This is another advertisement I recently saw today while skimming on a job search website :
We’re looking for someone with an outgoing, upbeat personality who really likes to interact with people in an office environment and on the phone. __________________________________________________________________ This is what I wrote back to them :
I came across your advertisement listed on *******.org Strictly judging from your advertisement itself, I fail to see · Provide recruiting support with both finding and maintaining talent.
xttwo ____________________________________________________ Although unlike the last example, this one is sprinkled with a little more subtle-ness. Although some of you may disagree, I was actually trying to invite debate. But this goes to what I'm speaking of, mixing it up and forcing the issue. Making an employer realize something they may not have about how their own advertisment of a job position. Planting the seed of doubt and maybe spark a little interest in my application even though I don't - as I say in the resonse - have a flashy degree or certification to present. They aren't always correct and right. They make mistakes. I'd like to think a person should be able to point that out in any way shape or form without risking getting the job, instead of being like so many are, butt kissers and yes-men.
x, the ad states that a degree or certification is preferred. It doesn't say it is "required" for the position. Instead of wasting your time once again, you would have been better off moving on to another ad or just submitting your resume and cover letter and seeing what happens. My job ad said they "preferred a college degree" too. I don't have a degree. However, I did not turn around and e-mail them and complain and whine about it like a child. I applied like I normally do for jobs and they hired me on the spot. Many companies will put something on their ads about "prefer a college degree" or something to that effect to weed out more of the cream of the crop for candidates from among the hundreds of resumes they receive. A SAVVY job hunter is going to know that they can still apply not having a degree and still be in the running for the job, if they approached the situation in a mature and professional manner.
I maybe wrong but aren't you the same person who once told me they knew someone in the field they were trying to get into with an application, a current/former manager of some sort? Seems pretty stupid for you to use yourself as a generic example of how easily one can get a job without having a degree where an advertisement mentions it in some way.
You are wrong because that was not the case with my current position. I went to the interview cold turkey because it was a temp-to-hire position. My last position was a management position which "preferred" a degree. I worked for them as a temp the year prior as an admin. The manager I had in that position when I was a temp called me a year later and asked me if I was interested in her job. That's because when I was a temp, I told her that I was interested in finding a job like hers and she remembered. Do you have the story straight now? That's how networking works to find a job. You might want to try it sometime.
So I am right. You dare try to use yourself as a generic example when the game was rigged all along. You know the company, you know the work, you even know the outgoing manager and the position that would have otherwise ( had you not filled it, probably in record time ) had a whole host of applicants wanting equal consideration. Sure, they probably feed you some garbage about being equally considered against other candidates which I surely know was a complete joke. No, not an equal playing field, and not anything like what I have had to deal with from the outside looking in, not even close. Networking is a joke. What are people going to say to me, jibberish I already know? Jibberish similar to what you and other coconuts have said to me. Has any of it forced me to stop and re-evaluate my perspectives? Nope. I continue to say I'm right on just about everything. But hey, you all gave it the 'ol college try, however unsucessful it was and still continues to be.
Well, xttwo, if I had any doubts about why you're still unemployed, you've now dispelled them. You're still unemployed because 1) you have a shi##y attitude and 2) you put your ignorance on display for all to see, including prospective employers. As Penguin pointed out, this ad states that a degree and/or related work experience is PREFERRED. You actually might have had a good shot at getting an interview if you hadn't responded the way you did. Why on earth would an employer want to even interview someone who didn't bother to read the short advertisement carefully and who responded with a rant about requiring a degree when the ad clearly DOES NOT require a degree. Sorry. You lose. Next candidate (preferably one who is literate this time). Had you, instead, responded with a letter stating something like, "I believe that my work experience at XYZ company doing thus-and-so, which included purchasing supplies and taking care of time records (or whatever is applicable) makes me a good candidate for this position," you might have gotten an interview, maybe even a chance to prove your AMAZING skills you keep boasting about. Instead, you had to attack the company for something THEY DIDN'T EVEN SAY!!! Just what issue do you think you're forcing? The only issue I see is that you're unintelligent, arrogant, and have MUCH too high an opinion of yourself. On another thread you said you'd be happy to be unemployed for the rest of your life. It's a good thing, because with your attitude, you will be. Yo X- I see what you said, and yeah, most of those skills are transferrable from job to job as well as ones you could learn on the job, if given the chance. I don't know as I would have been as blunt as you were in your response if I were really trying to get an interview, although I can appreciate what you were trying to convey. I must state hypothetically though, depending on the industry, things like purchase orders, as an example, can differ in process depending on the industry, the infrastructure of the company, etc. Yes, purchase orders are not like brain surgery; it's an easy enough task to pick up; I am merely pointing out that purchase orders in the building industry and purchase orders in commercial real estate are sometimes 2 different animals, just as purchase orders in the private sector vs. purchase orders for the government are different, and if you don't know what you are doing, or what to look for, that can be a fine mess indeed. I also don't think it's the simplicity of the tasks themselves, I think it's the multitasking, coordination, and basic grace under pressure. Just my 2 cents...peace, TG Another perfect example of why you are unemployed. You are a functional illiterate. This was a position that given your personal opinion of yourself as capable and willing you should have been able to obtain. They did not say they required a Degree only that they Preferred one. I would agree with you that the role that was described does not seem to be one that would necessitate a degree, so they were setting a "preference" in their bar. But no you didn't read the add properly. You just went for the juggler. You said to them I don't really want to work. I am not really interested in learning skills that will make me interesting. I have no interest in becoming employed. I would much rather simply attack and prove what everyone has been pointing out all along; I have a bad attitude and am in fact unemployable in my current emotional state. What you should have said: Dear Sir or Madam: I am very interested in the position you have posted and believe that I have the capabilities and aptitude to perform well in this role. I have great technical skills and am excellent at organization and multi-tasking, proven by my experiences in ................. My interpersonal skills are well honed and I have learned to work with a variety of people during my tenure with .......... I understand the need to provide support to a busy staff of people and believe that my excellent skills with the MS Suite of products, as well as, my ability to quickly learn other technologies will enable me to rapidly integrate with your team and provide excellent support solutions thus creating a more productive environment. Blah, blah, blah Do you see the difference? Even with out all the experience you need you could have taken what you know + your "enthusiasm" and potentially turned this into an opportunity. With a little research you could have talked about streamlining some operations for the team to show how you could "add value". But no, you just went on the attack. It is to bad. He said the only employer he liked was the one that gave him the 6 day temp job, so that means he liked the employment agency. Since he doesn't like any other company, he comes into the preconceived notion that all other employers are not going to hire him and so he continually sabotages himself. He has no one else to blame but himself. His negative attitude and negative behavior have to be evident in his interviews too. He comes across as one very angry and disturbed individual here. Ok, so I lied... this one WILL BE my last post to you. I just couldn't help myself: You might as well kiss that job good-bye. You just messed up that perfectly good opportunity. I might as well tell you that I am working currently in a CareerCenter (no space between Career and Center on purpose, that's how they are spelt at least the one I work at). Do you know what a CareerCenter is? Well you just might want to go and find one. If you actually listen to the people there, you might have better luck with your job search. They not only provide an excellent source of job listings, but also people there have connections, provide workshops, and are paid to give people job search advice. They are paid to help you get a job and keep a job. They are experts. It is really worth listening to them. The best thing is that they are non-profit, which means that you don't have to pay anything to get help. Now, I am not saying that just because I work at one I am an expert, because I'll admit I'm not, but I have definitely learned a great deal from my experience here. I am not a career councilor, just a receptionist, but I am quite confident that any advice that I give out is very good advice, otherwise I wouldn't give it out. My own personal rule is when someone comes to me who needs help or advise, I give them the best help or advise I can. If I am unable to, I point them in the right direction, and help them connect with someone who does know the answer. I never say "sorry, I can't help you" and leave it at that. I try to look at things from the other person's perspective. I wouldn't be happy if someone said that and then ignored me. Instead I say "sorry, I'm not sure about that, but let me find out what I can for you". I'd even find someone who, for example, would change the oil in their car, even though it is "not in my job description", I make it my job to help them. That being said, I would not tell you anything that I believe would set you up for failure. I am unsure where you are from, and I am not positive that you will find the same services as we provide at your local CareerCenter, but I can assure you it will be one of the best steps you could take for finding a job. If you LET PEOPLE help you, and stop thinking that you are above everyone and everything, you might just get something accomplished. That being said, I sincerely wish you good luck on you job search. | |
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