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An e mail conversation I just had.


 

( I applied for a local office position and this is the e-mail correspondence I just had today. )

I came across this advertisement previously and it seems quite apparent that you have not hired anyone in the last three months since the last time saw it on this website, I suggest you reconsider both my resume' and cover letter if not hire me outright since I suspect I'm the only one contacting you in this manner.

Dear xttwo, yes, we have reviewed your resume' but we don't feel your qualifications match our listed requirements, yes it is true that we have not found anyone which is why we have renewed the listing.

I submit to you that you are incorrect, I do have the skills and qualifications to perform your job as listed by simply reading the requirements you ask for. I see you're asking for computer experience which I can show you if you would be so kind as to invite me in for an interview. The computers I use at the local library have the exact same software programs you list in this advertisement, therefore you can reasonably assume that since I have access to these programs such as Microsoft Word, Excell and Outlook, you can ( in addition ) be sure that I can work effectively with them too,  or are you simply too incompetent to surmise these facts?

 

( Doesn't take a NASA scientist to guess these lugnuts won't respond again, although I'm still hopeful. )

  

 

We're curious.  What specifically was the office position?  What were their requirements?

Most office positions call for computer skills, but they also require other skills as well, many of them being soft skills.

   

I am not going to nail you here but rather offer a SUGGESTIOn and a friendly one at that, if you take it as a knock then so be it - but I would have toned down my wording a little

you dont suggest to anyone - you could have better said it in this manner below - the way you wrote to them almost seemed a little too aggressive

I came across this advertisement previously and it seems quite apparent that you have not hired anyone in the last three months since the last time saw it on this website, I suggest you reconsider both my resume' and cover letter if not hire me outright since I suspect I'm the only one contacting you in this manner.

I came across this advertisement previously and I see that the position is still open.   I would ask that you reconsider my resume and cover letter and allow me to renew my interest in this position and your company.  Even though I may not fit all of your criteria that you are seeking I feel that I meet enough of them to make it worth your time to meet with me and further discuss this opportunity. 

The word suggest in your email to them kind of makes it seem like you are telling them what to do rather than asking them for some consideration

Ok now that i am sure I will get blasted from you again I wont offer anything anymore

XTTWO -

I am not going to belittle you but your email came across as arrogant. If it were me, I wouldn't have even wasted my time emailing you back.

I know you are looking for a job but being arrogant is not going to get you invited to interviews if you keep on sending emails like that.

I do not know what your resume looks like but it is apparent that the employer felt you did not meet their needs so they skipped over your resume.

 

xttwo,

Can you accept the reality that most employers aren't as interested in skills a person has as they are in how well the propective employee will fit within their culture/system?  Your communication style (no matter how 'right' you may be) is not conducive to this reality.

If you cannot accept the reality that most employers/workers want to feel compatible and NOT combative with their employees/coworkers, please try again.  And again.  And again.  Until you get it.  And if you still choose not to accept that reality than your current reality isn't going to change.  And I think you'd agree that you want change.  It starts with you.

 

Xttwo ~

First Problem: Your initial contact, as shown to us in your post, is a run-on sentence.  It shows you have no concept of grammar, punctuation, or the English language.  As an office support person, your job is to make those to whom you report look better than they otherwise might, if left to their own devices.  Your note does nothing to promote you as someone who would automatically correct the language usage of senior members of the office staff.  This is a major strike against anyone applying for an office support position.

Second Problem: You automatically presume they've not hired anyone, as opposed to presuming they may have grown and are in need of an additional staff member?  This shows you to be short-sighted, at best, and pessimistic.  It would have been better to approach the situation as a positive: I notice you are running this advertisement for the second time in three (3) months.  I hope that means your business is growing and you are in need of additional staff members to fulfill your needs.  As before, your advertisement caught my attention, and I would like to be considered for this newest opening.

Third Problem: Your language indicates you find the person with whom you are communicating to be beneath you in intelligence and/or rank.

For example: "it seems quite apparent" ~ To whom?  I've already indicated an alternate interpretation of why the ad could be running a second time ~ the need for expansion.

For example: "I suggest you reconsider" ~ And who, exactly, are you to suggest anything to this particular company or individual?  Aren't you unemployed and going to them for a job?  Wouldn't it be more appropriate for you to "ask" rather than "suggest"?

For example: "if not hire me outright" ~ You're so good at what you do, we can bypass all the interviews, pre-hire investigations, pre-qualification testing, etc., and just hire you because you're the perfect fit?  Are you willing to guarantee that?  How do you propose to guarantee this, and in what manner will you compensate us when you fail?

For example: "I suspect I'm the only one contacting you in this manner." ~ Well, you might be right on one account, in that you may be the only person being this arrogant.  However, do you sincerely believe, in this job market, you are the only person applying for this job?  Are you that out of touch with reality?  For any office support position, employers today can expect anywhere from 50 to well over 200 applications, depending on the size of the local job market.

As to your second communication with these people, as you have shown us in your post, simply having software available for use on a computer means nothing in regards to an individual's proficiency.  So you have seen the software and are familiar with it.  Can you pass a proficiency test?  Can you export data from Microsoft Outlook into an Excel spreadsheet, create a mail-merge document in Microsoft Word, take the spreadsheet from Microsoft Excel and import it into Word, and then combine the mail-merge document and the spreadsheet to make mailing labels or merge letters?

There is far more to proficiency than knowing what the software packages are, and you can't even spell them properly ~ Excel has only one "L", my friend.  Even if you hadn't been rude in your second e-mail communication, you showed how little you know about the software by not knowing how to spell the name of the program.

As to incompetence, it appears you have cornered the market on that issue.  You did everything in your power to be condescending to these people; you questioned their judgment, showed derision for their business experience and growth, and spoke as though you are light-years beyond the position for which you are applying.  One can only surmise, by your actions, that you enjoy unemployment a great deal.

MinPin

 

If you mean by typing, filing, able to lift up to 35lbs, stocking shelves, yeah those phrases were in the advertisement too, most of the time when I'm applying to office work / office help / office person ads they all generallly read the same way.

 

 

You did everything in your power to be condescending to these people; you questioned their judgment, showed derision for their business experience and growth, and spoke as though you are light-years beyond the position for which you are applying.  One can only surmise, by your actions, that you enjoy unemployment a great deal.

 

- I couldn't agree with you more.

 

 

I disagree. 

I think ( and have said before ) in the here and now of 2007, where there's hundreds and hundreds of teenagers, twenty-somethings and thirty-somethings ( me for one ), who don't necessarily care to stay in the same work enviorment forever,  employers are the one who are going to have to adapt to their businesses being more like revolving doors.

Employers need to make working not necessarily fun, enjoyable or satisfactory.  Just enough for someone to realize it's better for them not to quit than it is for them to quit. I think the base of that conept starts first with monitary incentive. I quit my long held ( six years ) job in security because I felt I did all I cared to do with a shrinking paycheck ( shrinking value ).

What could they have done to keep me around?  Periodic pay increases would have been nice.

I get the impression ( as I said before ) employers although they won't say it, want jobs security - the other way - an employee who they feel comfortable they'll make the job their life-long livlihood.

It's almost as if I want to say on my cover letter - hey look, this isn't the 1930 industrial era where all someone asked for was simplicity - any paying wage and that's it.   I need more.  Me specifically.

Variety on a job wouldn't be too much to ask either.

 

You just listed hard skills.  And computer skills is not the only thing that will qualify a person for an office job.  Generally, office personnel, and a lot of other positions as well, need to have soft skills.  The higher up the ladder, the more you need excellent soft skills.  Here are some examples of soft skills:

*  Oral/spoken communication skills

*  Written communication skills

* Honesty

* Teamwork/collaboration

* Initiative

* Dependability

* Critical thinking

* Flexibility

* Interpersonal skills, i.e. the ability to work and deal with a variety of people, professionalism, personable

* Creativity

* Organization ability

* Problem solving ability

 * Attention to detail

* Time management

 

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