Career tips : WERE SICKENING AND KILLING OUR KIDS!

For all those who say abortion is murder; how about the "living" murders of children that are literally dying because their parents cannot afford proper treatments?

HEALTH INSURANCE FOR THE "HEALTH INSURANCE ABORTION OF CHILDREN!"

DP, you come up with some good posts. But let me play the devil's advocate here.

If one is poor and does not have a good paying job or health benefits, why are they having children? If I were in a terrible job that did not have benefits, surely, I would NOT be bringing children into this world. Why should I create babies when I cannot even support myself? Children are not a necessity. Children should be for those who can afford to raise children properly.

You see a lot of women on welfare who have babies after babies after babies. Why? Why do they keep on having babies when they know they cannot even support themselves? Is it fair to the child?

amen to that ! I have always shaken my head at seeing women on welfare and they have 6 kids following behind them. I am sure this is radical but I have long said that states should limit assistance to women - and men too for that matter - that allows for them to not have anymore kids until they get off the doles. I worked for the state of Illinois child support divistion for a few months and it made me sick seeing women with 6 kids all from different fathers, then when I had to cross reference I saw those same fathers with kids with 5 more women and on and on. Heck one women I recall was getting welfare AND child support from all the fathers to the tune of around 2 grand a month and this is in a small town in Illinois where a 4 bedroom house rents for 400 so 2 grand a month is a heck of a nice living - just about what I was making working full time and paying all my own bills. People in general need to realize that welfare is meant as a temporary help and not a way of life to be passed on from generation to generation in some cases I know of.

OC too,

I agree with both of you completely. This has been a problem for years in all the poor sections of this area and in all poor sections all over the United States.

But what about the kids already born and in this life of poverty and misery. Should they be punished because of the mistakes and stupidity and ignorance of their parents, grandparents, great grandparents, etc., and so forth?

I think not and I know you both agree with me too.

Bunzo

Well, there is an entity called "birth control." However, noone seems to want to use it and I even heard that people are too illiterate to read the label.

We should do like China. They limit the birth of two(2) kids or else they lose their jobs.

Also, we could have a different tax system. Instead of the MORE kids you have, you can write it off on income taxes.....it could be the LESS kids you have the MORE income write offs.

Finally, the government could offer a free or near free house to couple that are willing to stay childless.

These policies would do the trick.

True - I agree with that too - good point. But how many generations are going to perpetuate this before we say ENOUGH and provide mandatory training for the little ones, etc? I mean training in the sense of a good school - etc - I wouldnt mind paying out of my taxes if I knew that some of the money was helping to break the cycle. I have a daughter that played the welfare dole for years and I hated it - but they werent mi kids she was raising, they were hers. And I am glad to say that she has had a good job for years and her two kids, young adults now, are doing great. The oldest made honor rolls and the sad thing is that he cant afford college - she makes too much NOW for him to get a grant or a loan but he is on his own and she wont help him anyway. I just wish there was a way to let future generations dig themselves out of it - but then again have we made it to easy for them to NOT dig themselves out ?

Children are not a necessity but they are also not a luxury. They are a right and a privilege. While I agree with the basic premise that one should be intelligent enough not to have baby after baby if one cannot afford to raise them; it is not appropriate for us to say that only the wealthy should be allowed the privilege of having families.

I agree that living on the public dole should be a temporary fix. We should not allow any one to stay on Welfare as a "life style". I believe that being on public assistance should come with "strings attached", meaning that anyone receiving public assistance should be required to "work" for their support in public jobs. This achieves two goals;

"Free" labor to County and State organizations who are always short handed
Job training to those who are clearly not capable of obtaining work due to lack of poor or non-existent skills

There is only one reason for this not to work, people don't actually want to get off the dole. Then they would simply be lazy and shiftless. They would collect their money for a short period of time and would fall off the welfare roles with no other source of income. When that happens they would either have to find a job or they would become homeless. At that point they would lose their children, the only reason they were eligible for Welfare in the first place. Personally, I have very little sympathy for adults who have no justifiable reason for not working. Sympathy for children, yes - - adults no.

Of course I think the entire Federal Tax on Income needs to be eliminated. Move to a consumption based tax. No exemptions. Quarterly refund for those under a certain income level based upon family size up to say 4, and that refund would be flat not sliding. No tax on food, or the first $100 per month of energy usage (electric, gas, oil). Other than that all consumption taxed, no exemptions. The states collect and pass to the federal government. Perfect solution. The infrastructure already exists so no additional costs required to administer. I think I saw the calculation somewhere once that said the consumption tax would need to be between 16% and 18%. Sounds like a lot but actually it isn't when you figure out how much you pay in federal income taxes every month.

Good post as always Lval - I couldnt agree more - I accepted food stamps and rental assistance once in my life in probably the mid 80's and that was enough. I couldnt imagine the people collecting for years on endwith no question but let me ask for help - and I had paid taxes into that system for years - and man, you would have thought I was asking for a new Porsche !

There are reasons why someone might need temporary help and that is the purpose of the system. I believe that we have to have a system in place including food stamps and medical for families with children so that they can get the temporary help they need. It should not be a humiliating experience. Things happen in life and we need to be prepared as a society to assist those members that are unable to assist themselves, that means children especially. Philosophically I am primarily grounded in Objectivism, however I am not so distanced from social needs as to say that we can turn our backs entirely on taking care of our next generation in a meaningful way.

One of my younger nieces got pregnant a few years back. She and her boyfriend were both idjits, by the way. Both barely 18, no money, no education, no jobs, no pot to pea in, no window to throw it out of. She got a bladder infection and didn't have the money to fill her prescription and ended up in the hospital. I lived about 50 miles away, mind you she could have called me and I would have gotten her the stupid medicine, but no she was to prideful (or her idjit boyfriend was). So my sister calls and asks me to go the the hospital to check on idjit girl. Once there I am surrounded, I fill like I am in trailertrash town (ok I am being ugly I know). My idjit niece informs me she is pregnant. Like the good auntie that I am I innocently ask how she plans to afford this pregnancy if she can't afford to fill a $10 prescription of antibiotics, worse how she plans to afford a baby. Idjit girl looks at me and simply says;

"oh I will just go on STATE INSURANCE".

Me: "You mean welfare"

Her: "yes State Insurance"

Me: "Welfare, you played and now you want me and every other hard working person in Texas to pay? Is that what you are saying? Can you explain the logic of this to me? I don't want another baby I already have two that I raised. I didn't plan for another and obviously you two didn't plan for this one? What makes you think that anyone hard working person in Texas wants to pay the price for the two of you to lay down? Does Welfare pay for termination? Because frankly I would rather the two of you terminate this pregnancy than force the state of Texas and ever hard working productive person in it to pay for your irresponsibility, lack of goals, plain stupidity. On top of which since you would rather spend your money on beer and weed than medicine it is likely you will not take care of the child either during the pregnancy or after it is born."

His parents: "we will help take care and we don't believe in abortion, but we don't have any money and we are State Insurance" (picture 3 ragamuffins under 10 in the background)

Idjit boy: "you can't talk to my girlfriend that way" (picture chest puffed out)

Idjit girl niece: "auntie L I didn't mean to get pregnant but idjit boy wouldn't get my pills last month and he doesn't like rubbers. He doesn't believe in abortion and neither do I (sob sob). I will work two jobs waitressing until the baby is here. Maybe we can live with you to save money.

The tale of woe just went on and on. I couldn't believe my ears. I told idjit girl that she of course could come live with me, without idjit boy - he could visit only. They declined. She did have the baby (sweet little thing that was thankfully born healthy and is now 6 years old). He eventually ran out on her (surprise surprise). She finally got some good sense. Moved to Arizona where her mother is. Still doesn't have a lick of sense but is doing well for herself, has a decent job isn't on Welfare, didn't have anymore children.

Yes I know it was ugly of me to suggest abortion to the idjit children. But the fact that these two perfectly healthy "adults" thought nothing of going on the dole so incensed me, well that is what popped out of my mouth.

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