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under qualified over qualified


I am a bit frustrated with my job hunt.  I have worked for 24 years in the Trust/Custody side of Banking, which is somewhat different than retail banking.  I have extensive knowledge securities/trade processing, ERISA and GAAP.  However, with all this knowledge employers are not considering me for positions in accounting or brokerage/financial planning because I do not have a degree in accounting or finance.  So I decided to go in a different direction, I appled for positions such as a Administrative Assistant or Office Manager and find out employers don' t want to talk to me because they think that I am over qualified for the position.

Don' t get me wrong, I am getting calls from recruiters asking if they can send my resume for consideration for positions that I have done for years; however I am immediately disqualified and I don' t even get an initial telephone interview with the company because I don' t have a degree.

What to do?  I am at a loss.  Any suggestions, especially from hiring managers?  I am very smart, a quick learner, and a hard worker which is evident in my resume and the fact that I worked my way up the corporate ladder from an entry level positions to an officer of a corporation with signing authority.

I' m in the same boat here.  I have over 25 years in IT and no 4 year degree. I have owned my own company, was very successful, and hold many certifications in the technical world.  I have attended Ivy League colleges and received certificates of achievement. I do have a 2-year degree but my lack of a 4 year is killing me.  I often get screened out right away via their online application process.  I switched industries 4 years ago which seems to further add to my problems.  I have been looking for a new job for over 10 months now and still at the starting line.  I have had my resume re-tooled four times at cost of about $4000.

I have dumbed down my resume and credentials in order to try and get my foot in the door.  Still no takers......  It continues to be a waiting game for me.  I found myself in this very position some 5 years ago and the only way out was to start my own company.  I may have to do this again.........

I have self-funded re-trainng myself to the tune of over $10,000 in the past 4 months.  I have contacted over 700 executive recruiters and applied to over 3,800 jobs.

Sign up for a few related courses and then include in your cover letter that you are currently continuing your education to obtain a certificate or degree (whichever is applicable to your situation).

Also, when looking at advertisements and postings, look for phrases which state that a degree is preferred and not necessarily required. These are the employers you want to impress the most. Also, there are several employers who will accept a certain amount of experience in lieu of an actual degree and you may consider putting into your cover letter something to the effect of

"while I do not have an actual degree, my experience in utilizing (fill in the blank) has proven more useful in accomplishing the project."

Or something like that.

Its not your lack of degree--its your age. Just like me.   I have 25 years of experience in my field (Telecommunications), and  a Masters Degree in  history.. and a NYS teaching certificate. I deceided to try transferring into the retail sales field,(stay closer to home, flexible hours). I have applied to no less than 15 retailers. (including the one my wife works with !) and NO TAKERS. I havent even gotten an interview.  What could be the reason ? Hmm , lets take a big guess? They think Im not trainable ?. I think that if I can obtain a masters degree, Im capable of passing  the required e-learning courses that a big box retailer has to offer. what other reason could be the stumbling block? Im not even asking for the same salary Im making now ! Im asking for less. Im asking to be considered for a supervisor, instead of manager level . But; e very application Ive submitted has asked the same question: what age range are you in ? under 18? over 18?  over 39 under 39 ?

yeah, I think that age discrimination is alive well in the retail industry. !

I am a seasoned employee also.  I have been a hiring manager, but insmall retail establishments, so I'm afraid I can't help you muchthere.  A big part of the problems we see, as a job seeker and not amanager, is that most of the articles and books written about getting ajob are written by, for, and about, executives.  (That's one of the reasons I am writing a book on the subject, one for the rest of us. Isn't it a hoot, though, that I'm writing a book on getting a job, and I can't get one? But that gives me the time to write it now. )  A lot of these peoplelive in their own little world but believe that everyone else lives intheir world, too. Most of us live in a totally different world.  I havenot spent any money on my resume, what money we have goes to living,but I have changed it to follow the expert's guidelines, and stillnothing.  For some time it has been illegal to ask any question in aninterview that refers to age, but I, too, have noticed on manyapplications that they ask if you are "over 39" etc, and on some arequired field is birth date, so do you think they have to ask? Unfortunately, some of it is the market.  A couple of years ago acompany came to our area that was expecting to do a three-day job fair,but all applications were gone within an hour.  Last month Michiganlost another 30,000 jobs.  That's another 30,000 we're competing withfor jobs that don't exist.  Many managers I have interviewed withworked their way up and don't have a college education.  They havenever read any of these books and articles on what they keep telling uswe need to do to get hired, so they have no idea what supposedly goeson in the interview process, etc.  Each manager is different, each hastheir own personality and idea of what they are looking for, or noidea.  I had a couple of interviewers tell me their company doesn't doany training any more.  They were looking for someone that were aperfect match for the position, someone who had the same systems, thatalready had experience exactly as others working there already.  (Whydon't they just have a present employee fill the position?)  They oftendo, even though they go about all the steps for hiring from outside. About the last thing I do at an interview is ask what the mostimportant qualities and/or skills for the job are to make sure Iaddress these areas.  In an interview with one of the nations leadingdrug store chains, the man told me the most important thing was abachelor's degree.  On my resume it was clearly stated that I had anassociate's degree, so why did he waste my time and his?  A couple oftimes I have also had my time and their's wasted, not to mention thegasoline expense, for part-time jobs when I had specifically appliedfor management positions.  Why would anyone think that I might beinterested in part-time minimum wage in those circumstances. I had oneinterviewer ask me if I thought about going back to school to get abachelor's degree.  I told her that it just wasn't something I could doright now.  But why should I?  I have had a hard enough time getting ajob already, many times because I have been over-qualified.  And couldanyone tell me just how much more going to college for two more yearswould give me that 13 years management experience hasn't?

Sorry, I know I haven't been much help, just adding more thoughts on these subjects.  I would live to have the answers, but I'm not sure if anyone has the answers.  Otherwise, wouldn't we all have jobs?
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